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Robert J. Borer's avatar

Brother Kenneth,

In the end, ES&S, Dominion and Hart InterCivic aren't the real issue.

They are secondary to the real issue.

The real issue is SECRET VOTE-COUNTING, whether by secret software OR BY secret hand count, wherein, in either case, election results can be manipulated because We the People to whom election results belong aren't allowed to verify the results.

Government is chosen by consent of We the People.

Secret vote-counts by government, whether by secret software or by secret hand (direct hand or proxy hand), constitute a huge conflict of interest and temptation that carries too big of a risk and too big of a price to be allowed to exist.

Election results determine who gets power and money.

Subverted elections place that power and money in the wrong, self-serving, special-interest-serving hands where basic rights are violated.

We the People determined long ago that these rights shall not be denied by the state or any subdivision thereof. (NE Const Article I-1)

Elections are about We the People choosing a servant government that is tasked, above all else, with protecting our God-given, inherent and inalienable rights against all enemies of those rights, foreign and domestic.

We the People are by nature free and independent.

Only a corrupt government pursues secret vote counts.

There's no reason for secret vote counts other than to manipulate the results.

Secret vote counts need to be taken away from that corrupt government.

Manipulated election results by government servants constitute treason.

It is the overthrowing of the true sovereigns of our Constitutional Republic—We the People.

The simple failure by government to exercise due diligence and secure open, honest, transparent and verifiable results for We the People from private secret vote-counters also constitutes treason, by proxy.

Again, there is only one reason for secret vote counts—election results are being manipulated. There is NO OTHER REASON for secret vote-counts.

The people ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE for this treason are wayward government officials who have violated their oath and empowered the secrecy of these private companies.

This would include legislators, those in government who influenced these legislators to legalize use of these private companies, and those in government who stood down and said nothing.

If you are not overtly on the side of right, you are, by default, on the side of wrong.

The time to wake up is now, or be damned. Time is running out.

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ESSstoleOur.Vote's avatar

Bob, I'm not really sure if you're trying to get me to change my plans or what.

I'm observant enough to see that the conventional is not working. The conventional approaches exclude some unconventional approaches that might or might not accomplish more than conventional ones have done so far. In my thinking, the mere possibility of them being able to accomplish something is justification enough to consider doing them. The reactions of other people to being unconventional for the cause strike me as coming from either fear or ignorance, neither of which I have respect for.

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Robert J. Borer's avatar

I'm serious when I say you inspired me.

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Robert J. Borer's avatar

I'm just sharing my thoughts. I have no problem whatsoever with you doing as you see fit. I think your heart is in the right place.

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ESSstoleOur.Vote's avatar

Thanks, Bob! Now action!

I'm not one to keep beating forever on the dead horses of ignorable 3-5 minute public comments and emails. This notice can't be ignored.

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Robert J. Borer's avatar

"I do not waive my right to my vote's secrecy, nor does any other voter without their explicit and informed consent. "

Does ES&S know which ballot is yours? Does anyone else know?

Is not your ballot then, and the votes there on, secret?

I'm just trying to help you with your argument.

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ESSstoleOur.Vote's avatar

I'm adding "during transport to supervised hand-to-eye counting" to clarify the reason for secrecy...so no one can be tempted to steal the votes they disagree with.

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ESSstoleOur.Vote's avatar

ES&S and/or their allies calculates how many offsetting votes they need based on how many votes, including mine, they need to overcome. That's a good reason for everyone's selections to be kept secret from them.

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Robert J. Borer's avatar

As far as I know, that is the case with in-person voting.

However, that is NOT the case with mail-in voting.

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ESSstoleOur.Vote's avatar

Are you saying that ES&S doesn't know the results of mail-in voting?

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Robert J. Borer's avatar

No. I'm assuming that anyone who wants the secrecy of their ballot secured isn't voting that way.

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ESSstoleOur.Vote's avatar

The way I see, ES&S+ calculates how many votes they need to swing or insert to barely win races they have a stake in. That means they keep track of the running tallies every way they can, mail-in, early, and otherwise.

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Robert J. Borer's avatar

They don't have to make it that hard. With fraction magic software, they can just weight votes.

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